What Happens After a Divorce Decree?

November 16, 2021

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A lot can happen after your divorce decree is entered. From legal reparations to messy legal wording battles, the Lady Lawyer League will help you find out what effects it could have and what could happen if it’s not followed!

Podcast Transcript

Tracy Hightower-Henne: On today’s podcast, we’re going to talk about what happens after the decrees entered and all the estate planning things that we need to do. So it’s not yet over right. When the decree is entered

Tosha Heavican: Right, it’s not over until it’s over.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, and then it’s never really over. So here with me is Tosha Heavican, one of our attorneys in our office who does a lot of our estate planning.

Tosha Heavican: Yes, the resident tree killer is what I call it. Sometimes a lot of paper.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, I was like, Are you really killing trees? Oh no, I forgot that a thing like when we use too much paper? Yes. And we were also going to have another one of our attorneys, Tara, right in here. But she called this morning and said she might be having a baby. Yeah. It wasn’t a surprise. Like, we know she’s been pregnant for nine months, so. Right? But so, yeah, so I said, That’s OK, Tara. You don’t need to do the podcast today. She was like, Oh, good, and I was like, You certainly weren’t worried about that, right? But yeah, so also, I feel like we haven’t recorded a podcast forever. A minute. Yeah. I came down with the the vid, the COVID. My husband really likes to call it the COVID 19, and he like Enunciates 19, and I’m like, Why it should be COVID 21 now, right? Yeah. So fully vaccinated got COVID. I didn’t get sick, though. So I mean, just a little bit of a head cold.

Tosha Heavican: See, and I had I got the bid like a year and a half ago, so September of twenty twenty. And so that was pretty vaccines being available, I think at least not for my my age group and whatnot. And it was horrible. I was in bed for at least a week. Headache, fever, you know all that. I never did lose my taste of smell or or like taste. I kind of wish I would have. I felt like I would have been a good diet plan, maybe.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: But yeah, so I actually did lose my taste of smell, taste of smell.

Tosha Heavican: See, I said it wrong, too.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, I lost my sense of smell. And then as I was trying to decide if I could taste things, but I definitely was able to taste things. But some of your tasting scents is using your smell scents, right? So if you don’t have your sense of smell, it’s going to affect some of your taste. But the first day that I was positive, I was like, I don’t think I can smell. And so I went and got some apple cider vinegar. I put that in a bowl and then I put like, we had just gotten some hot sauce from Mexico. I put that in a bowl and it was a gringa loka hot sauce, and I filled up this bowl. And so I’m just like smelling it, and I couldn’t smell either one of them. Then I tried the taste and I could taste both of them. I was like, OK, I can taste that burn. But then someone made a comment on my Facebook page that you should do all the smelling things to keep your smell buds. Do you have smell buds, its taste buds? I don’t know, smelling sensation like practicing. So then every day I was at home, I was opening all the spice canisters, so I was like, Oh, can I taste that? I mean, can I smell that cinnamon? Nope. Oh, but that jalapeno seasoning like you can feel it, burn your nostrils. So but it’s coming back and it’s it’s not a hundred percent. But now I can smell a little bit.

Tosha Heavican: I have a I have a friend of mine who she we worked together for a while. She she was a paralegal and she was born without a sense of smell. And so I remember at one point when we were all hanging out, my husband and I and her and her husband and my husband asked her, You know, what’s that like? And of course, she doesn’t know because she’s always been that way, right? She was born that way. So now maybe Cole can ask you, what is it like to not be able to smell and then get it back?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: So what does she do about perfume? Like she just trust that the perfume smells good?

Tosha Heavican: You know, I don’t know, but I do know that her husband negotiated pretty early on that because they have two kids that she would be changing all of the dirty diapers since she can’t smell.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: There was a point where I was cleaning out the litter box and I was like, Oh, this is great, I can’t smell anything right. Although that’s my least favorite chore is cleaning out the litter box.

Tosha Heavican: Probably most people’s, I would think.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. So I think. You know, this topic is really interesting when we think about all of our divorce clients that come in and we finalized their divorce, there’s still so much that has to happen afterwards. And then usually we’re we just walked down the hall and say, OK, Tosha, here’s the file. Have at it.

Tosha Heavican: Right. And I think I’m certain I have never been divorced myself, but I’m certain that once a person gets to a place where the divorce is either final or almost going to be final, there’s kind of this sense of relief, right? And maybe a sense of relaxation a little bit. But at the same time, there’s so many things that we kind of need to consider once that decree is in place so that we make sure that long term, you know, we don’t have any issues in the future.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, and speaking of that, that case you just had recently, speaking of long term it remind me what happened.

Tosha Heavican: So it’s kind of an interesting situation. So we have spouses who were divorced in some time in 1991, I want to say. And part of the decree says that they had a marital murder home that was going to be sold and then they were going to split the proceeds.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: By the way, the decree, I think, was typed on a typewriter. Yes.

Tosha Heavican: Yes, it was. It was rather an old document. I want to say that and

Tracy Hightower-Henne: I know this because probably in nineteen ninety one for Christmas, I got a typewriter as a Christmas present. I was so excited I would have been nine.

Tosha Heavican: I’m pretty sure that the case was old enough that because now as attorneys, you know, we can go online and we can access just about anybody’s case that we want to be nosy and look at, right? But cases that are that old, they don’t have the documents scanned in, so

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Then know because the typewriter document doesn’t scan very well,

Tosha Heavican: Right? So then you have to go, you actually have to, you know, like go talk to a person in real life and go to the courthouse IRL and get papers.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: So, oh, I almost asked what I wrote, and then I remembered in real

Tosha Heavican: Life how you are way cooler than me. I I’m certain that, you know, more acronyms than I do.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, you just used one that I had to my brain had to work,

Tosha Heavican: But so divorce decree sometime in nineteen ninety one, I believe. Decree says we’re going to sell the marital home and split the proceeds. Great. Pretty common provision, you know, in a divorce decree. Fast forward to 2020, and these two individuals remained friends. In fact, so much so that they are still living together in the marital

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Home that never got sold,

Tosha Heavican: That never got sold. And then one of the spouses passes away. Oh shit. Right. So we have a situation now where what happens, right? Do we follow the decree from 30 years ago? Technically, since she’s no longer a spouse, the surviving person, you know her rights change under the probate code, which is what controls when someone passes away.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: How is the house titled

Tosha Heavican: Joint tenancy originally? But the decree, I believe, and this would be one of the questions under the law, right? And we ultimately ended up kind of sort of settling with the court. But one of the questions would be if the divorce decree is entered, then does that change how the title is on the house? Because then we potentially go from joint tenancy, which means that if one person on the on the title dies, the other person automatically gets it right. Whoever lives longer wins in a joint tenancy situation,

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Kind of at life.

Tosha Heavican: Right, right? Literally, yeah. So but then you have a situation where once the decree is entered that has some effect on that title, then it potentially changes it to what we call a tenants in common.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: But the decree in this situation didn’t award the house to either person. Correct it just said, sell it right and then they didn’t, right? And then 20 years later, the guy died and he’s like, Well, I don’t care.

Tosha Heavican: Right? He’s not here dead. And what’s interesting, as we all know, I mean, the real estate market, I think at least in the Midwest and even in the United States generally has just been crazy, right?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: We don’t know what’s happening in Germany. That’s the housing market for all of our German

Tosha Heavican: Listeners, right? So there’s been a significant increase in value on this property. So now potentially there’s been a change, right? The determination of equity at the time that they got divorced in nineteen ninety one is potentially different in twenty twenty. Right.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: And so we represented the living person. Yes, the ex wife,

Tosha Heavican: Right,

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Who is living in the house,

Tosha Heavican: Right? And now the estate says, Well, what are we supposed to do?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: How do we date? Is their children correct their joint children?

Tosha Heavican: Right. And you know, sometimes you. I would think maybe people could get along and and kind of figure this out, but sometimes people don’t. People have estranged relationships

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Or thus the reason we have a

Tosha Heavican: Job, right? Right. And so trying to figure, you know, the the estate position was, well, the house was supposed to be sold in 1991, and so the share of the living person should be determined based on the 1991 decree. And of course, our position was the decree doesn’t say that, the decree says. When we sell it, we get half

Tracy Hightower-Henne: And it was typed on a typewriter. So it’s like legit.

Tosha Heavican: It’s like, Yes, no, no, white out on that.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh yeah, because I would have had to use my

Tosha Heavican: No delete button. No Control X or control Z. None of that. So it brings up this interesting question because, you know, once you have a decree, right, then you kind of have to look at it. And what are the specific terms that you need to be following?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: It’s a court order, right? So we. So one of the things that we always talk about in a divorce situation is we need to follow the decree to a T. And so it either needs to be written really clear to so that everyone knows exactly what they need to do so that they can’t either be held in contempt or 30 years later, someone dies and you didn’t sell the house that you’re supposed to sell. Right. So what happened in that case?

Tosha Heavican: Ultimately, the the parties were able to kind of come to a resolution, I think, with the help of the judge, you know, kind of, I’m

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Going to stop you here. This is Tara or Tosha being totally humble. She went in to the judge and said, Judge, listen, this is what the case law and the statute say, and I think I win. And then the judge said, Yeah, actually, you’re right. Ms. opposing counsel, you need to go tell your client they’re going to lose this trial. And then they all marched out in the hallway and they came to an agreement because you went in to the judge and stated that we are in the right position.

Tosha Heavican: Yes, I do think that the law was very much on our side in that situation. But at the same time, I will say there was enough of a question for the other side to be able to make an argument. And I think part of what we Hightower Reef Law really try to do is to as much as we can. Let’s avoid those gray areas. Let’s avoid those questions. Let’s have a good decree that covers all the issues and then let’s follow it. Right.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: But if we get that moment where we can like walk out of the chambers and do the little like secret dance in your mind and be like, Oh, I just won, that’s fun, too.

Tosha Heavican: So ultimately, we were able to come to a solution in terms of the amount of money that was going to be split using the sale price and that

Tracy Hightower-Henne: House was getting sold

Tosha Heavican: Correct? Yeah, right. There was not an argument about that. Everybody wanted to sell the house. That was really a question of how are we going to split the dollars? And then also, you know, talking about when people were going because not only was the one of the children was also still living in the house. And so talking about when people were going to be moving out and also talking about who’s going to pay for updates to the house because a lot of times when you put a house on the market, you’ve got to do certain things well, who’s going to be paying for that and how much does it cost? And you know, there’s so many questions that came up because of this sort of lag, right? And then you have some people who are wanting to say, Well, you know, the other owner, the guy who’s dead, he told me this and this and this. Well, that’s not admissible. If it’s not in writing right, we have to follow what’s on the paper. The Nebraska case law is very clear that decrees are interpreted black letter. What does the decree say? And nothing outside of it is going to be used to interpret it.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: You sound like the bar exam right now.

Tosha Heavican: I do.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: But it is. It’s always the terms of the four corners of the decree or the order. Right. And it’s like only what’s within the four corners. Don’t go outside that box of paper, right? Right. But I think this brings up a really good point to that. We oftentimes have to help our clients with non legally related things like when are you going to move out? You need to pack your stuff up, put it in the garage so you can show the house. And we’re, you know, often helping with logistics. And we have a case right now in our in our firm that everything is settled except for who’s going to get the stuff in the house. And it’s like down to the who’s getting the stuff in the garage on the shelves and who’s getting the stuff in the shelves, in the basement. And I often think about these things like in my own house, like I feel like I have a lot of shit, crap, you know, in my house. And like, if you have to go down to the T on those things and you really want some Christmas decorations, but not all of them are, you’re unboxing some things. And so sometimes we have to literally help our. Alliance with the logistics of those things like, OK, on Tuesday, he’s going to come over and go through and take what he wants, and then on Wednesday, you’re going to say yes or no to those things, and if there’s a disagreement, we’ll figure it out, right? And those are the things sometimes that people unfortunately are willing to pay their attorney to help them with.

Tosha Heavican: Well, Tracy, I’ve been to your house and you’re like uber organized, so I feel like yours would be real.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Have you seen the basement shelves?

Tosha Heavican: Yeah, you have like Tupperware and everything’s like, very organized. I’ve seen your closet. It’s like every shoe has a box. That’s impressive.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh yeah, that’s my call. My husband wouldn’t want any of my shoes.

Tosha Heavican: Well, that’s true. Well, you don’t know.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: I don’t think he wants any Christmas decorations, either. We’re also not getting divorced.

Tosha Heavican: So that’s good, right? Maybe that’s the that’s the lead of the story.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: But I do. Ok, so on that point, you know, when we talk about divorce and estate planning, the first thing is right. We’re referencing the decree we’re going to follow with the decree says so in nineteen ninety one, you need to sell the house so that 30 years later, your kids and your ex-wife slash friend aren’t fighting over the proceeds. But also some of our advice really strong advice is once you’re decree is final, you really need to talk with your estate planning attorney and either do a will now or an estate plan or update it.

Tosha Heavican: Correct. And a lot of that not only encompasses talking about a will, but also some of your what we call pay on death or transfer on death assets like life insurance or money market accounts, brokerage accounts, 401k, 403b, all of those types of accounts. A lot of times are going to have beneficiaries on them. And so just making it very clear for those companies that hold your money that if something happens to me, this is where it’s supposed to go. And a lot of times in situations with divorce clients where they have either minor children or adult children, then

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes, that was fun. I was at Star Wars, a completely different video game. Oh, video game. Yeah, I wouldn’t know either.

Tosha Heavican: So in cases where we have either minor children or adult children, right, then we’re talking about, do we need a trust to protect the money for young kids? Or if we have adult children thinking about, OK, if the parent remarries, how do we protect inheritance of adult children when we have either a new spouse or a new significant other coming into the picture?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. And sometimes a new significant other doesn’t become a spouse? Correct. Right. And and that. That person who has the adult children may still want to protect that new significant other in some assets or ways, or maybe they buy a house together, but they may want that person to be able to still live in that house and not necessarily have it inherited to their adult children. Right. But they want some things inherited for their adult children.

Tosha Heavican: And that’s where and sometimes I think it’s kind of thought of as a dirty word or a dirty phrase. But and that means

Tracy Hightower-Henne: That I think it’s going to be very dirty. What’s the

Tosha Heavican: Dirty word? It’s not. That’s where I kind of consider prenuptial agreements a very effective planning tool.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: So dirty. Yes. Before I get remarried.

Tosha Heavican: So right. If you have a situation where you have a second marriage, but we need to be maybe protecting assets for the children from the first marriage, you know, by having a prenuptial agreement, it really opens a lot more doors than if you don’t have one. We’re limited in some ways on our estate planning unless the new spouse is willing to waive things. And then you have to have that difficult conversation. You know, sometimes it’s hard, sometimes not. But I had a case once where we had a husband and wife who were divorced, and the husband has a new significant other long time relationship, you know? I don’t know that they will be getting married, but in that situation, he wanted to be able to make sure that the significant other had some protections, but still wanted to be able to make sure that his his assets ultimately went to his kids. And so in that scenario we thought about, OK, well, maybe we we predetermine almost like a lease the terms that the significant other could be under in order to stay in the house. And so then in this paper, he’s telling his kids, this is what I expect and this is what my wishes are, that my significant other can have the house and be there and for a set amount of time. Or, you know, if she wants to leave early and that’s what this would look like. So then that way, if he’s gone, his kids know this is what dad wanted and we want to honor that. But we also know that we’re protected because she’s not getting everything. She’s getting this finite amount of stuff and we’re getting this other stuff right, right?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: And they probably don’t want the Christmas decorations. She can have them, right? Right. Well, it depends. So changing beneficiaries is also really important after the decree is entered and what happens if someone doesn’t change their, let’s say, life insurance beneficiary and they die and their life insurance beneficiaries still has their ex spouse from 10 years ago listed?

Tosha Heavican: So it used to be that if you didn’t change it, then the ex-spouse got it

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Because the life insurance company doesn’t have to comply with any probate right it. They get a death certificate or notification of death, and they’re just supposed to pay out the beneficiary, right?

Tosha Heavican: Correct. They’re typically going to follow whatever information is in their file in terms of who is named as the beneficiary, with a few exceptions. I had a case once where it was a super unfortunate situation where a husband and wife were in the process of divorce and then the husband. The case came to us as a divorce case, and then the husband passed away before he died, but he had tried to change his some of his beneficiaries on, for example, his retirement account to somebody other than his spouse. In that case, because they weren’t divorced under federal statute, your spouse has to be your beneficiary unless they waive it, which is why if you don’t have a pre nuptial agreement, right, kind of coming full circle there, it can affect how beneficiaries are paid out. And so the life insurance company had notified me that they were going to pay this money to a trust, and I said, Well, legally, you cannot.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Is this like our favorite client?

Tosha Heavican: Yes.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, I can’t wait. I’m not going to tell the ending. Keep going.

Tosha Heavican: I said, you cannot pay this significant amount of money to this trust because under federal €S statutes, my client did not waive the money. So she gets to have it. And he said, Oh, I need to check my file and I’ll call you back. And then he called me back the next day and he said, Well, by golly, you’re right. And I said, I know.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: And then again, you’re like,

Tosha Heavican: Oh, so I got to keep well,

Tracy Hightower-Henne: But the ending, which you kind of already said the this guy filed for divorce and he was terminally ill and she was our client, the wife, and he was going through all these changes in his beneficiaries, changing things around. And then he died during the divorce before the divorce finalized. And so she got everything and he even filed for. He even died before the 60 days. Which is called the 60 day cooling off period passed, so they couldn’t even finalize the divorce until the 60 days had passed after he filed.

Tosha Heavican: Right. And I think we didn’t. There wasn’t even a decree in place.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: No, right? No. Yeah, he died before before the divorce could even be finalized. And so our client got everything.

Tosha Heavican: And so if it was a situation where someone passed away post decree, so the decree has already entered, then there is a statute in Nebraska now. It’s fairly recent within the last, I want to say, maybe four years or so that the statute says. And there’s this big, long definition of what a testamentary document is, right? But basically like a life insurance beneficiary or something like that, a paper that says so and so gets the money. If they’re divorced from that person, then this statute cancels that beneficiary designation. But my position and you know, I’ve always been kind of a belt and suspenders kind of person. Right. So do you wear suspenders? I do

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Not. We should get you some.

Tosha Heavican: Maybe for Halloween, I could wear them.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: What would you be? I don’t know. You could just be the belt and suspenders person, right?

Tosha Heavican: Yes, I like it. So, you know, the decree is entered. Just make the changes that way. There’s no question there’s no potential that the money would go somewhere that you most likely do not want it to go.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: I think sometimes, though, like as we’re talking about all these things that we recommend happen after the divorce is entered. We also recognize that our client has gone through this pretty potentially traumatic experience of this divorce by the time they get the decree, the final order. They literally maybe can’t process anymore changes and paperwork and documentation. And I think that’s probably, I don’t know, 40 percent of our clients. So a big chunk, the other 60 percent were really trying to rein in and say, like, you know, let us help you with the rest of this stuff, too, so you can have this as clean of a slate as possible going forward. And the other 40 percent, you know, we may reach out to them a year later and say, OK, are you ready now? And I do think that a lot of people get into a better mind space, you know, as more time passes. But for some people, the divorce can be really traumatic because they didn’t want it, for example. Or, you know, now their financial situation is very different, their lifestyle is different. And maybe they also just can’t afford to do anymore legal work, too. So we’re doing our best to try and, you know, make sure if there’s priority things like what are the things that they need to do based on their situation to to get everything in place. So I also remember, you know, speaking of death before divorce is finalized, I had a case one time where our client.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Was making a lot of comments that she thought her husband was potentially poisoning her. And, you know, it wasn’t relevant to the divorce because they had no kids and they were living separate. And so I kind of kept saying to her like, Well, don’t eat or drink anything he gives you, right? Like, then there shouldn’t be an issue. And before the divorce was finalized, she died, and it was like an unknown how she died and questioned. And I never really got any more information about the cause of death. But I always wondered, like, did he actually poison her? And then I remember it must have been three or five years after she died. I got a call from her husband. He was her husband when she died because the divorce wasn’t final. And he said, Well, I want her whole file. I said, no. You know, she still is a past client that her file is still confidential and by all means you can’t have it. I don’t know. And I always wonder, like, what did he want in the file? There wasn’t really anything, and maybe there was some notes, you know, that I had written down that she claimed to have poisoned him or other way. She claimed he had poisoned her, but obviously he never got the file and never will.

Tosha Heavican: But I was not at the firm. I don’t think when this case was happening. No, and

Tracy Hightower-Henne: It must have been about five years ago.

Tosha Heavican: I feel like this could totally be like one of those Netflix documentaries that they do like. There was one about a crazy murder that happened in Council Bluffs, which is where I live. And it was like and right, Council Bluffs is not famous for anything, really.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: So you said that a little like you were concerned people are going to judge you, and I just left

Tosha Heavican: It more like people were going to come try to find me. But but then I’m like, I’m not that interesting.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: So I was also going to remind our listeners that some people call it council tucky. They do, they do.

Tosha Heavican: But it’s a fairly small, I mean, maybe medium size. I don’t know what people consider small town, but it’s not otherwise noteworthy, I guess. And now all of a sudden, we have this like it’s like three or four episodes. I think about this really unfortunate situation where this lady like, killed this man’s girlfriend and then pretended to be her.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Is it on Netflix now?

Tosha Heavican: I think so, Netflix are or not Hulu, I don’t know, one of those streaming, I’ll have to figure it out and maybe we can post it, but just like you can’t make it up, this woman and I mean, clearly she has mental problems, but she befriended this man and liked him. And then he started dating somebody else. So she murders her and then pretends to be her and text message him right and crazy.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Did I even go to trial and everything?

Tosha Heavican: Well, they didn’t arrest her for like five years. And what’s crazy is if she would have stopped pretending to be the dead lady, they never would have caught her. She would have got away with it.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Was this the case that they realized she wasn’t the dead lady because the dead lady had a certain tattoo that she didn’t have? It was on her dumb ass? Go get the same tattoo.

Tosha Heavican: Yes, yes. And she’s still in jail, at least when I watched the video. The the documentary or whatever, she still claims she’s innocent, even though she had pictures of this woman’s foot in her trunk of her car.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes, yes. And that’s where the tattoo was. Yes, yes. On the severed foot.

Tosha Heavican: And this poor guy who was just, I mean, he’s like a mechanic, just like trying to, you know, just working hard in life. And then he has this woman who comes in and just turns everything upside down and and his girlfriend died in the process. And just crazy, crazy story. So that’s now everybody will know what Council Bluffs is.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: That’s what Council Tuckey is all about.

Tosha Heavican: Not really, though. We don’t. We don’t go around murdering people a lot.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: So speaking of all the death things and divorce things, the death of the marriage is, you know, I think the the really important things to take away are really think about your estate plan after your divorce is final. And if you need time to take a rest from the legalities of your divorce, do that. But shortly after you know that’s finalized, you really need to sit down and think about your estate plan because it’s going to look very different than what you had before and if you never had one before. Obviously, your estate plan is is really necessary in new, you know, like new relationships and things were being shown. What the series is

Tosha Heavican: That that is it? What is it? Does it have a name?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: True conviction series. So go watch the true conviction series about the woman who plays the dead girlfriend, right?

Tosha Heavican: With technology like spoofs, her phone. I mean, that’s like high level stuff, right?

Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes.

Tosha Heavican: Yes, yes. Well, and think in terms of your estate plan looking different, I mean, just to mention to sometimes when people, you know, obviously you get you get married, you you would have a joint plan like, for example, a joint trust. So if you’re then dismantling that, making sure that we don’t still have assets in a joint trust with an ex-spouse? Right, that could also complicate things. So I think, you know, in terms of the takeaways, Tracy’s right, you know, just making sure once you have that decree, you’re following it and you’re making those changes so that we have a clear path moving forward.

Tracy Hightower-Henne: And I think also our final suggestion this is coming slightly biased from lawyers, but don’t do it on your own, you know, especially after a divorce, you’re going to have some unique, interesting things that you need to think through with an experienced attorney. So. Call your attorney, if you’re in Omaha, high tariff law can help you or Council Bluffs. None of us are licensed in Germany, though, so we could we could probably find a referral for you there. So thanks for listening, Guttentag. All that.

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