What happens during a divorce when abuse is present? How do you safeguard yourself and those you love during those tough times? Divorce can be an incredibly difficult experience, and it gets even more complicated when abuse is involved. With the help of Susan and Tracy in this episode, you’ll learn how to safeguard yourself or your loved ones during these tough times. Knowing the signs of various forms of abuse could prove vital for protecting both yourself and those around you from further harm.
What to do if you get a DUI season 3 premiere
What do you do if you get a DUI? How can you get a DUI in the first place? If you get a DUI you are going to have a lot of questions, and the Lady Lawyer League is back to help you answer them. In this episode, you’ll learn what to do if you get a DUI. Tracy and Susan answer questions like how will this impact your job? How long will it stay on your record? How will it affect future background checks and opportunities? The lady lawyers help you know what to do if you get a DUI.
Producer’s Pick: “No, you cannot get a DUI on a horse. The law specifically states you have to be operating a motorized vehicle.” – Susan Reff
Susan Reff: On today’s episode, we’re going to talk about what to do if you get a DUI. There’s a lot of questions surrounding what to do if you get a DUI from how it impacts your job, how it impacts your record, what you should do as far as when to call a lawyer. We’re going to answer all of those questions, plus some really fun questions from Google about what to do if you get a DUI.
Announcer: This is the Lady Lawyer League podcast. Omaha’s leading Lady Lawyers Empowering Women to Be Legal Savvy. Hosted by Susan Raff and Tracy Hightower of Hightower Rough Law.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Welcome back to the Lady Lawyer League Podcast, Season three, Season three. We are in a studio and there are video cameras everywhere. Video cameras like I think there’s five OC, 14 for four. So season three is the video season.
Susan Reff: We got a little practice by being guests on other people’s podcasts, but not our own. So this is weird.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Weird and good.
Susan Reff: Yeah, weird in a good way.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right. So we’re excited and.
Susan Reff: There’s like a countdown clock to.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh.
Susan Reff: Yeah, it’s like out of track meet.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah.
Susan Reff: How fast can we get this done?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, we’re. It’s got the really fast seconds.
Susan Reff: Yeah, I’m not going to look at that. That’s going to give me a heart attack.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, So season three, we’re excited to answer a lot of specific questions. And today we’re talking about DUIs, DUI. What does that stand for?
Susan Reff: Driving under the influence.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So do you always have to be driving?
Susan Reff: Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And we’re going to talk about what kind of things you can drive.
Susan Reff: Right. It’s going to be really fun.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right. So this is really Susan’s area as a criminal defense attorney, I don’t really do DUIs at all. I think maybe I’ve tried it ten years ago and then was like, wait, how do you get out of it?
Susan Reff: Meaning as an attorney or as a person charged.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Or you help your client get out of it and then you sort of realize, like, really can’t get your client out of it?
Susan Reff: Well, it’s it’s really not any different than any other criminal charge, except there’s a few extra steps and they have their own specific report that the police do. But other than that, I mean, people still have all the same rights and you still have the same process at court and all of that.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So, okay, so what should someone do if they get a DUI?
Susan Reff: They should immediately call an attorney, probably someone who has experience in DUI, like curbside.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: They should call your attorney curbside.
Susan Reff: No. Well, that’s probably not going to happen. The cops probably won’t let them.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oc So you get pulled over and you’re drunk, what should you do?
Susan Reff: So I am only speaking of this from an attorney perspective, not as of the perspective of someone who’s had this happen. Right? So, you know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I wouldn’t judge you if you did, but.
Susan Reff: No. Right. Thanks. I appreciate that. If you get pulled over and the police officer assumes that you are drunk, they’re going to start doing some different testing to determine if there’s alcohol in your system.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And how can an officer assume that you may have been drinking?
Susan Reff: They’re trained to look for certain types of driving is generally people who are drunk. And it’s not kind of what you would think. Most people that get pulled over for drunk driving are not speeding. They’re generally not, you know, like they’re not driving aggressively. They’re actually usually either driving too slow, they’re weaving. They don’t have their headlights on stupid stuff, like they’re not using their turn.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Signal, like stuff that you do when you’re drunk or don’t do.
Susan Reff: Or stuff you do when you’re distracted, you know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Like being drunk.
Susan Reff: Yeah, but it’s it’s like little things. The person is actually sometimes driving. Okay. But they don’t have their lights on, so they get pulled over. And the time of day, a lot of times.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Too, I was going to say the time of day. So we add 1 a.m. and a little swerving and no headlights and bam.
Susan Reff: Yep, yep. Pulled over and you know, the police officer comes over to the window, probably asks you for your job. Should you, should.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You say, I’m not going to open the window?
Susan Reff: No. I think if the officer asks you to roll down the window and you don’t, you could get in more trouble. There’s a charge called obstructing that you wouldn’t want to have added on to whatever else you’re going to get charged with, which means you’re not following the requests of a police officer.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay.
Susan Reff: So roll down the window. They’re going to ask you for your license, your registration, your insurance card, and they might make small talk with you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And at this point, this person is trying to act the least drunk as they can.
Susan Reff: Yes. And very average, probably very like I’m a concerned citizen. And they’re probably going to engage in a small talk with a cop because and the reason the cop is doing that is, I think, twofold. One, they’re trying to get you to keep breathing out so they can smell alcohol on you and see if you’re slurring your words. And they’re also trying to get you to trust them as like a regular person, like, oh, how’s your day going? Yada, yada. Where a lot of times they’ll say, Where are you going? What Do you know why I pulled you over? They don’t care what your answer is. They just want to get you talking. But I mean, if you say, like, what is at the bar, that might.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So, so far, this isn’t really like the movies. Like in the movies, people are driving erratically and going 800 miles an hour and running over curbs and the cars flipping over.
Susan Reff: I mean, I think that happens, too, but I don’t think that’s the usual DUI. I mean, you do hear about those really sad cases where someone rolls their car or they crash into the school bus or what. I mean, that obviously happens, but I don’t think that’s the typical DUI.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So in this moment, is there really any way because the number one question is from our clients, how could I have gotten out of it? Is there a way in this moment, like as you roll the window down, you can get out of a DUI?
Susan Reff: No, in the sense that when you are issued a driver’s license in Nebraska, you’ve agreed to take what’s called a. An alcohol test. That’s what I don’t know where you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Get out and you walk the line. No, no.
Susan Reff: No, no, no. Not that one. The one you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You’ve agreed.
Susan Reff: Yes, that’s it.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You’re having a brain fart.
Susan Reff: I was totally having. I was like. There’s like. Because they do this side of the road one, which is called the preliminary breath test, which is just like a little hand-held thing. You you don’t have to blow into that. If you don’t, you’ll get a class for misdemeanor, which is just a fine. But when you are issued a driver’s license in Nebraska, you’ve agreed to let law enforcement test your breath or your blood for alcohol. It’s like a it’s like an implied consent thing.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay.
Susan Reff: So even if you refuse to do like the walk on the line, you refuse to blow in the hand-held thing, the cop can take you into custody and take you to wherever that test is going to be done, whether it’s at the police station, a hospital where they’re going to draw your blood or whatever, and basically force you to give a sample.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So I’ve heard the story, and I don’t think it was one of our clients. But one trick that someone has said to get out of a DUI is immediately when you get pulled over before the cop comes up to your window, you get out of the car, you take a bottle of vodka that you have under the front seat of your car. You stand there with your arms up and you down the whole bottle of vodka. And then the cop doesn’t know if you were drunk before they pulled you over or right then.
Susan Reff: So I think that that could potentially get you out of a DUI, but maybe get you in other legal trouble, like having a bottle of alcohol in reach of the driver’s seat, which in Nebraska is illegal. Okay.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So that won’t work.
Susan Reff: Well, sometimes some people think getting a lesser charge is better than getting the worse charge. I don’t know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Dui is the worst charge in that state.
Susan Reff: No worse than open container. Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I also think and I’ve heard this from several people, but I also well, mostly from people asking me if they ever get pulled over for a DUI, if that’s what they should do. And I just sort of think I’m not even going to answer that question. But I also think that in that moment, the police are going to be like, get back in your car.
Susan Reff: You run the risk of the police being like, what are you doing? They may physically interfere with you, you know, like they may. Remember, you’re drunk, right? We’re. We’re a cell.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Are you? We’re after the vows.
Susan Reff: I mean, the first bottle drunk, and then you have a completely sober police officer who’s trained in, like, takedown moves and things like that. Who’s going to get to that bottle of alcohol faster, maybe.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, So let’s not maybe.
Susan Reff: Maybe you get a splash, like, near your face. I don’t know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So your face smells like alcohol? Yeah. Okay.
Susan Reff: Yeah. I honestly never have had a case where that’s happened, but it’s in the movies and TV shows all the time. And I think, yeah, you get pulled over on or like, I think where it would work is if you don’t get pulled over, but your car becomes inoperable because you crashed it and then you decide that you’re going to leave and you’re going to go to the bar or you’re going to go straight home and start drinking. Well, you might get a leaving the scene of an accident because they they’ll figure out that it was you driving because it’s your car and there’s video cameras everywhere.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right in the whole world.
Susan Reff: They say that your video like 27 times in in only 27.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I’m surprised by.
Susan Reff: That. Maybe.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I don’t know. Maybe it’s 27,000.
Susan Reff: Maybe it’s 27 times an hour.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Where did you hear this?
Susan Reff: I don’t know. Google.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, Google. How many times a day? Oh, my watch is probably going to be like, on video.
Susan Reff: Me? Yeah, it’s a gazillion. Right? Right. They’re going to figure it out.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: But and everyone has a ring camera at their house, so then they like ring cameras to get going down the street.
Susan Reff: Well, and some like streetlights and like light poles have video cameras on them too.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So. Right. You can get out of anything.
Susan Reff: No, no, you really can’t.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So have there been other stories of our clients in the past trying to get out of DUIs that you can recall.
Susan Reff: With weird behavior like that? You know, I haven’t had any people, like trying to get out of it in a tricky manner. I mean, the the legal way to beat a DUI is to challenge the police even pulling you over. So and that’s the truth of like almost any crime, if it starts with a traffic stop, is did the cop have probable cause to pull you over if you weren’t really breaking the law? Anything that happens after that is thrown out in a motion to suppress. So if that’s how you can beat a DUI and that’s how people do beat DUI.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And I know there’s stories that I’ve heard in our office where people aren’t really pulled over, but maybe they’re sleeping in the car and they’re drunk and the car’s not running, but the keys are in the ignition. And then sometimes I’ve even heard the keys are in the back seat. Right. So is that a DUI? If you’re found sleeping in your car and the keys are in the back seat and it’s not even running.
Susan Reff: So the law changed at some point. This was before I became an attorney. So there were cases a.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Long time.
Susan Reff: Ago. A long time ago, like, yeah, before, you know, 1975, know that there were cases where people would fall asleep in their car, the car was off and they would be super drunk and they would not get a DUI. They changed that law at some point to say instead of driving, they called it actual physical control. And so they all those factors can go into play to say, is someone in actual physical control, are they sitting in the driver’s seat? Do they have access to the keys? You know, is there signs of recent driving? So like there was a case that came out right around the time I became an attorney of a guy who crashed his motorcycle. It was like a one vehicle accident and he was thrown from the motorcycle. The keys were removed somehow. I don’t really know how motorcycle keys work, but there was no key. And he was like, I’m so far away from my motorcycle because he got launched or whatever. Like, how could I have been driving? Which I mean, come on.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So that didn’t.
Susan Reff: Work? No, that didn’t work.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So what about, what about the keyless? Or, like, my key can stay in my purse and it’s just the turn on the ignition, and so it never even leaves my purse.
Susan Reff: Where’s your purse, though?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Sometimes it goes in the backseat.
Susan Reff: Yeah, it’s in the car, though.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So if it’s in the trunk and I can’t reach it.
Susan Reff: I still think you can operate the motor vehicle.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, right.
Susan Reff: Yeah. I mean, if there was a car that, like, you could not actually operate unless the key was within, you know, So.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: If I’m drunk and I just need to sleep it off, put my key outside the car, like on the ground.
Susan Reff: Know if you’re drunk and you need to sleep it off. Don’t sleep in your car.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Where should I.
Susan Reff: Go? Outside the.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Car. Or I could call an Uber.
Susan Reff: Uber has saved so many DUIs, probably, Right? I mean, yes, the DUI rate. Should be going down, but I don’t actually think it is right because of Uber.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So what’s a DWI?
Susan Reff: So I think that’s what they call it in Iowa. And DWI means driving while intoxicated.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And then DUI is driving under the influence. Yes. And does one of them then in capture being high while driving?
Susan Reff: Yes. So the law is driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol in Nebraska. So if you’re high and you can be high on even prescription drugs. Fit impairs your driving. You can still get a DUI. So in that sense or in that circumstance, there are police officers who are trained to recognize signs of drug intoxication. And they there. It’s not every cop. So like, let’s say, you know, average Joe cop pulls you over and is like, this person seems impaired, but I don’t think it’s alcohol. I don’t smell anything. Their breath doesn’t you know, they’re not slurring their words, but they’re doing other things. They would call this other cop that’s called a drug recognition expert. And that person comes and looks for different things to see if you are under the influence. And they and obviously a urine test, a blood test can still show those symptoms or those the presence of drugs.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Got it. So driving under the influence is inclusive of alcohol and drugs.
Susan Reff: Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: In Nebraska.
Susan Reff: Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay. So a lot of questions that we get to from our clients that are sometimes difficult to answer is about employment and DUIs.
Susan Reff: Yeah, it’s a big deal.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. So, like, are there different types of jobs that it affects more?
Susan Reff: I think if you’re an Uber driver, it would affect your job.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, do. And we don’t know the answer to all of this.
Susan Reff: About And if you’re a pizza delivery person.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. Like who? Who has to tell their employers? We don’t know the answer to that. You know, of what’s required. And your job.
Susan Reff: I would assume so. Let’s say driving is a major part of your job. I would assume when you’re hired that you have to show valid a valid driver’s license. And I would assume that those employers periodically check to make sure you have a valid.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: License if you’re driving all the.
Susan Reff: Time. Yeah, if you’re driving for work. I had a client that was issued a company car. He would drive around all the time to see clients and he said they ran his license every 30 days. So he basically had a 30 day window. Window from because when you get at at a certain point in the process of being charged with a DUI, the state will revoke your driver’s.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: License through the DMV.
Susan Reff: Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay.
Susan Reff: Or issue a restricted driver’s license to you, meaning you can continue to drive as long as you have the interlock on your car, which is that thing that you blow in that says you have no alcohol in your system. So it allows you to start the car. If you have alcohol in your system, you can’t start the car.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So can anyone look at anyone else’s driving record?
Susan Reff: I so like you can go on the Nebraska DMV website if you know the person’s date of birth, either their social or their driver’s license number. And it is not hard to find those numbers on people, especially your driver’s license number, like we can pull driver’s licenses from just the public court system. If you’ve gotten a speeding ticket, I can find your driver’s license number and your date of birth, and I can put that info into just the DMV’s website and find out if you have a restricted license.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So an employer is going to have that information.
Susan Reff: Yeah. And maybe there’s you know, because you’ve probably given them a copy of your driver’s license too, and they would obviously have to have insurance on you or you’d have to provide your own insurance. I’m assuming they would have insurance on you. I don’t know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So how long does a DUI stay on your record?
Susan Reff: Well, in Nebraska, any criminal conviction stays on your record forever. You can’t expunge your criminal record in Nebraska. So there’s no way to go in and say, well, that was a really long time ago. I’m perfect now, Please erase that from my record. That’s like a misnomer, right? That you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Can. It’s a.
Susan Reff: Myth. Yeah. Total myth in Nebraska is not the right word. Misnomers. Like I’m.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: That’s why I corrected you.
Susan Reff: Yeah. Like, misnomer is like saying indigo is purple when it’s really blue or whatever, right?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. We had a conversation about Regi Biv.
Susan Reff: Yeah. Misnomer is not correct. Myth? Yeah, it’s a myth that you can, after a certain amount of time, you can expunge your criminal.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Record in.
Susan Reff: Nebraska, Nebraska, other states may be different, I don’t know. But in Nebraska you can get a DUI, second offense or third offense or fourth offense after you’ve had one. And they call it a lookback period. The lookback is 15 years. So if you got one and then you get another one, if that first one was within 15 years, that next one is going to be a second. If it was 16 or more years, it’s going to be a first again.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay. So DUI is going to follow you for a long time.
Susan Reff: Yes
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right. So call an Uber.
Susan Reff: Yes, call an Uber. If you don’t call an Uber, then call.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: A lawyer and don’t sleep in your car. So get out and sleep on the curb.
Susan Reff: Yeah. Do people sleep in their car? I mean. They must. I think.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So.
Susan Reff: Have you ever slept in your car Like some people? Like driving across the country? I’m going to sleep in my car. I’m like, What?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I don’t think so. Unless maybe one time I was driving home after law school finals, you know, from Michigan to Omaha. And I think I thought, like, I better take a little nap.
Susan Reff: Where did you stop?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I think at a rest stop. But I think that happened one time. And I was like, maybe I should just wait until the next day to drive home because I was like, downing Red Bulls to try and stay awake. Yeah, I had my cat and my car with me.
Susan Reff: This is sounding even better, but.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I wasn’t drunk so I wouldn’t have gotten a DUI.
Susan Reff: Maybe you were driving erratically because your cat was, like, jumping all over.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: No, no, no, no. She was in a carrier.
Susan Reff: Oh, okay. Okay. Not like being on your lap, Right?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. That would.
Susan Reff: Be so.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Cute. Okay, so we have we have some questions on that. Google really. Apparently, people ask these all the time.
Susan Reff: They Google DUI. Oh, yes. Because remember, the best legal advice in the world comes from.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Google, right? Yeah, right. So we’re going to have them on the screen. Oh, okay.
Susan Reff: This is so cool. We’ve never done this before.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And this is the first time in the studio. Right? Right. Okay. Can you get a DUI on a horse?
Susan Reff: No, you can’t. And I know the answer to this one because the.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Wait is the horse drunk?
Susan Reff: The horse could maybe get a DUI for horsing around.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, good.
Susan Reff: One more animals jokes. The law specifically says you have to be on a motorized vehicle.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: That has horsepower.
Susan Reff: Who knew?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay, So it has to have a motor so a horse doesn’t work. But what other types of things, though?
Susan Reff: So hilarious. This is the funniest thing that is real. I think about DUI as I was sitting in court one time and this was in county court where all DUIs are handled unless they become felonies. And so everyone can hear everything. Right. And this guy gets called up and he’s pleading guilty to a DUI. And the prosecutor reads from the police report, after you plead guilty and the prosecutor says the defendant was at a bar on a party bus and the defendant left the bar. And instead of getting on the party bus, he got on a road grader that was sitting next to the bar.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: What’s a road grader, Susan?
Susan Reff: It’s like this giant, huge thing that you drive along a road and I think it like, chews.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Up the road, grades the road? Yeah, it’s like a machinery.
Susan Reff: Yeah, it’s like huge piece of road construction equipment, right? I don’t know. But they said road grader and I could see this thing and there’s just a chair, you know, And the keys were in it. So this guy and his buddies, they turned it, he turned it on. And by now, like, I think the people from the bar were like, Oh, they’re messing around with that equipment, like right next to the bar. So they call the police. The police come. The guy is sitting on it, hooting and hollering. His friends are taking pictures and the cops get him for a DUI.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: But he hadn’t even driven the road.
Susan Reff: Grader turned it on. Wow. Yeah. And everyone in the courtroom is laughing at this guy. The judge is laughing. Everyone’s laughing. And it was funny.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: But so you can get a DUI on a road grader.
Susan Reff: It’s also like I’m thinking now this guy’s driver’s license insurance or his car insurance is going to go up. Like, what an idiot.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, so road graders in horror snow. What about a bike?
Susan Reff: A bike? No, because it doesn’t have a motor.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: What about a moped?
Susan Reff: So there was a case in Lincoln that a person got. I don’t know if they crashed or whatever, but they were charged with a DUI on a moped. And the judge determined no, because the motor on a moped wasn’t powerful.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Enough to have enough horsepower.
Susan Reff: Right. So I know I don’t know where that threshold lies. If there’s like.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So an electric bike is questionable, too.
Susan Reff: I think you could probably ride an electric bike drunk. Wow.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, moving on. What’s the next question? Can you go to Canada with a DUI? Do you go to Canada?
Susan Reff: So I don’t really know the answer to this, but there’s like all these this talk and I think I mean, this is Canadian law, right? Because Canada can keep out the Mounties. Yeah, they.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Wait. The Mounties are on a horse.
Susan Reff: They are the mounted patrol. So Yeah. And they line the border and like they won’t let you in like shoulder to shoulder. Just kidding. That’s not how it is.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So like, is the question like you’re, you’re drunk as you’re trying to get into Canada because that would be really dumb.
Susan Reff: Have you ever driven to Canada You did right in the school because you were close.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah.
Susan Reff: And like, they, like, ask you for your ID and stuff, right? Yeah. I mean, it’s not just like.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So.
Susan Reff: We it’s a process.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: During COVID, my husband and I went up to northern Minnesota and he had never been into Canada. So he was like, Let’s go to the border. And we couldn’t get in because it’s COVID and all that. And so we kept going to the border and he would just turn around. We’re like right at the border. And he did that like three times. And I was like.
Susan Reff: You’re on my list.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I think. Yeah. And I think we had a rental car, so that’s good. I said, Tom, I think we should stop doing that.
Susan Reff: Who’s driving in a rental?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: They probably thought he maybe was drunk, so. Oh, all right, next question.
Susan Reff: And he didn’t do like this. Like, I’m in.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I’m out. No, no. All right. What countries won’t let you in with the DUI?
Susan Reff: I don’t know the answer to that, but I I’m guessing there are certain countries that are like you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Probably get executed for a DUI in some countries.
Susan Reff: Yeah, probably.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Even on a horse. All right, Next. Should I tell my staff I got a DUI?
Susan Reff: You were your staff? Yeah. What is this? Should I tell my staff?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I feel like it depends on your job, right?
Susan Reff: Yeah. So there’s. There’s this attorney in town who likes to drink and drive and has been in the papers a few times about drinking and driving. And like, when you’re a DUI attorney, you go to court a lot. So this guy had some pretty flashy cars. He had some vanity plates, I think. Still does. And he would park in front of the courthouse on the street. So when he got a certain number of DUIs, I don’t know and couldn’t drive anymore, he would have someone on his staff drive him to the courthouse in his.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: That person needs to tell a staff.
Susan Reff: Yeah, that person did, because he had no other way to get to court.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right. So the next question, how many DUIs are too much? Well, at some point you’re going to jail or or at some point you’re going to prison? Yes. For a long time. Yes. And that’s after how many?
Susan Reff: So a DUI carries felony jail time. If it’s a third offense with a blood alcohol content of twice the legal limit or more or a or a true fourth offense. So you’ve gotten three in 15 years and now you’re facing number four. In 15 years, that one’s automatically a felony, even if you are just at the legal limit just above it.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So how many DUIs are too much? We’re talking about three or four, probably. And then you’re about to go to prison. But also, in all seriousness, you may have a problem. And there are a lot of resources out there for alcoholism. And you should probably seek some sort of treatment.
Susan Reff: And some people even realize with one DUI that they have a problem and they seek help. And, you know, so the answer to this is really it depends in a personal sense, in a legal sense, in a sense, like, you know, we’re here to represent people. We don’t judge them based on if it’s number one, number four, number five, whatever. So.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, so you’re good on horses and you’re good on maybe a.
Susan Reff: Moped or motorized vehicles, but not road graders.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes.
Susan Reff: All right. No road grading, driving. Have you ever driven a road grader? What’s the biggest piece of equipment you’ve ever driven besides a car, a tractor, A track? You drove a tractor?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, we have a tractor.
Susan Reff: It’s only like, Oh, like your house. Like you’re not out in the cornfield.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, no.
Susan Reff: That would be so cool.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You could take a tractor in a cornfield. Do you want to try it sometime?
Susan Reff: I would like to drive farm equipment. All right. Like farming, though.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, you want to. You want to be farming?
Susan Reff: Yeah, I want to farm. Not as my job. Like I want to try it for a minute.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Okay, Let’s do it. Do it. Okay. Take the podcast. And that’s a wrap on episode one of season three. Woo! Thanks for joining us today on the Lady Lori League podcast. Hit that subscribe button so you never miss an episode and join us next time.
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