Tracy Hightower-Henne: What you need to do when your divorce is final. On today’s podcast, we’re talking about all the post decree or is it decree tasks that we’re going to do for you after your divorce is final?
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Tracy Hightower-Henne: Welcome back to the Lady Lawyer League podcast.
Susan Reff: On today’s episode, we’re going to talk about after the divorce.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: We also [00:00:30] call that post decree post decree tasks.
Susan Reff: What’s a decree degree?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, we do have a lot of clients say a degree in in place of decree, which is the final court order that says all the things that need to happen. And at some point we were like, we should start giving our clients degrees.
Susan Reff: Yes. In your.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Degree, you’ve graduated.
Susan Reff: Degree in single life. Like, what would the degree [00:01:00] be in happiness?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes. I mean, for most clients, yeah. Yeah. It can be a really happy transition to get divorced.
Susan Reff: I’ve heard an attorney use the word degree instead of decree.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Listen, when I graduated, though, like I said, when I graduated from college in law school, it was like graduating into the like, oh, shit, adult life. So even when you if you graduate from your divorce, you know, like, it’s cool, like, good, I finish. Oh, it’s also like, Oh, God. What? [00:01:30]
Susan Reff: What now? Right, right. Like, it’s a new world, so.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: It’s exciting, but it can also be really?
Susan Reff: Yeah, for sure. Stressful? Yes, for sure. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right. So after your divorce is final, typically means when the decree is entered.
Susan Reff: Yes. I always tell people the decree is the final order.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. And then we like to say it ain’t over till it’s over.
Susan Reff: It is not over. Most of the time it’s not over.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. You’re usually going to [00:02:00] have a lot of things to do after the decree is entered. And it depends, of course, a lot on what you had going on.
Susan Reff: Right. So like money and kids and Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: House. A lot of it has to do with changing ownership of house titles, car titles, things like that, changing ownership of banks over and then setting up new things like child support payments and changing retirement accounts.
Susan Reff: So when you get divorced and [00:02:30] and one person gets the house, they have a lot of work to do.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: If they’re keeping the house. Yeah, or keeping the house. So I think the biggest thing is and I like to equate it oftentimes to like, you shouldn’t do your own divorce if you have a house or retirement accounts. So those are two of the big things that have a lot to a lot of work to do after the decrease. So if someone is keeping the house, usually the loan was in both spouse’s names, right. And it’s going to be [00:03:00] required that they refinance. Now, in today’s market, the interest rates are really concerning for people having to refinance. Right. And it may change completely their budget.
Susan Reff: Right, Because they.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Might payment’s going to.
Susan Reff: Be together, the mortgage might have a lower interest rate, but they have to refi with current market rates.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. Which we probably would have had this conversation with our clients well before the decree is entered that they need to talk to a mortgage [00:03:30] specialist. They need to talk to someone specifically about whether they can qualify to refinance on their own. Right, what their interest rate looks like, and then inevitably what the mortgage payment amount is, Right?
Susan Reff: Yeah. So what what it means is if one spouse is keeping the house and they have to refinance, the purpose of that is not only to change the names on the mortgage and the title, it’s to most likely pay the other spouse [00:04:00] some equity from the house.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: That’s right.
Susan Reff: Which nobody ever wants to do.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And so you’re also cashing out some equity, which also increases your mortgage payment. Right. But those things, we’re going to know that before the decree gets entered.
Susan Reff: Wait, it’s not a surprise.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, sometimes it is, right.
Susan Reff: People don’t listen. If they’ve been listening to their attorney. Right, they would know what they’re getting and how it’s going to work.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. And usually the decree is going to have language about the house in [00:04:30] there that says if they’re unable to or unwilling to refinance the mortgage to remove the other spouse’s name, then they have to sell the house. Right.
Susan Reff: And gives the other person some of the money.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Some of the equity. Yeah. So that’s a huge step after the divorce is final is figuring out what happens with the House or at least executing the steps in the decree of what’s going to happen with the House. The other thing too, related to the houses, where’s all the stuff going? Oh, and we. Oh. [00:05:00]
Susan Reff: You mean like the teacups and the.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Couches.
Susan Reff: And punch.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Bowl, microwaves? What’s what’s one of the things that you’ve had to fight about in a case, personal property wise art?
Susan Reff: Like someone said, art was really important. End tables. Yeah. I had a trial with End of table. Else?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Were they actually special?
Susan Reff: No, they actually weren’t fighting about it. And my client was like, I thought he came over and took everything he wanted. [00:05:30] And then at trial it was like I didn’t get enough end tables. I didn’t get my art. I didn’t get all my clothes, like stupid stuff like that.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I think one of my first divorces had to do with an armoire.
Susan Reff: And that.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And it was an arm. And I ended up asking my client, Where did you get the armoire? And she was like last year at Nebraska Furniture. And I said, Can you go to Nebraska Furniture Mart this weekend and see if they have it? Another one? Stone She did. And I [00:06:00] said, Can you just go buy that one like you do? We’re not going to fight over this armoire.
Susan Reff: You wait. It wasn’t a family heirloom worth millions of dollars. No. Brought over on the Mayflower or whatever. No.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So oftentimes, yeah, personal property can be a huge headache and nightmare. And then once we’ve entered the decree and we haven’t said anything about the end tables in the armoire, then all of a sudden people are going, Well, wait, what about the end tables? And you’re like, That didn’t go in the decree. Yeah, figure it out.
Susan Reff: Figure it out. You don’t want to pay [00:06:30] me to figure it out.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. The judge does not want to hear about your end tables. Yeah, so. But sometimes we do have to go back and try to get more clarity about personal property in the house.
Susan Reff: Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Storage units, too.
Susan Reff: Oh, my God. Store? Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: People have storage units. Yes, and a lot of stuff in them.
Susan Reff: But. But have you ever been like, okay, you’ve got a storage unit, Why don’t you give me an inventory of what’s in the storage unit? And they’re like, I don’t know what’s in there. No. Then you’re like, [00:07:00] Why is it even important if you don’t know what’s in there? Why is it important?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And is it mostly like folks that don’t have a basement or it’s just more stuff than what even goes in the basement?
Susan Reff: Goes in the basement, like there’s a set rule. These things go in the basement.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes.
Susan Reff: These things do not know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: But then it’s paying the storage unit. Right. And who’s going to have access at the same time? No one wants to be there together. [00:07:30] Yes.
Susan Reff: So getting the lock on the I had they changed the lock on the storage unit was a big problem.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: The padlock.
Susan Reff: Yes. Oh, yeah. Crazy.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. You just because you just go to Menards and get a padlock. Right. Is there any padlock?
Susan Reff: Well, some storage units have rules of what kind of locks you have to have. Like you have to buy it from them.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You have a storage unit at our office. Do we still have the same padlock? Ten years later?
Susan Reff: We do not have a storage unit at our office. We have a remote storage.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right? Right. [00:08:00] Yeah, that’s. And that’s what we’re talking about.
Susan Reff: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. The padlock is still the same padlock that you line up the letters and it’s so gross. And it’s so because our storage unit is on a gravel road, gravel parking lot.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, but I remember we got this storage unit because we needed to put some boxes in it. By the way, I’ve never been to this storage unit.
Susan Reff: And there are many.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Times in ten years, for some reason, that assignment as [00:08:30] a partner always fell on you to go to the storage unit. I’ve just never been there. It’s horrible. But I think I bought the padlock. Yes. And at one point you said, like, a year into it. What was that? What was the combination again? I was like, I have no idea. And then you spelled out it’s some sort of letters. And I was like, I didn’t know it was letters.
Susan Reff: Yeah, it’s letters for letters. I yeah, our storage unit is horrible. I think one time we went in there and there was like dead squirrels. There was [00:09:00] definitely a lot of spiderwebs, tons of dust.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, this has to happen with other people’s storage units, right?
Susan Reff: It has to, yeah. Anyway, storage units are a big part of divorces.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah.
Susan Reff: And businesses, apparently.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Because you got to get them cleared out before you can start paying the storage unit fee. And I think that usually is what happens. Yeah. No one wants the stuff inside the storage unit.
Susan Reff: But they want to fight about.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: It. Yeah. All right. So one of the other sort of easy things after a decree is if someone wants [00:09:30] to change their name back. And the interesting thing too, we often get people who ask, Can I change my name to something else? And the answer is, in a divorce, you can only change your name back to something. It was before your maiden.
Susan Reff: Name, right?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So the decree will have that provision in there. We get you a certified copy and you start by taking that to the Social Security office. Right. Get your new Social Security card. Then you go to the DMV and get your new license with your previous [00:10:00] name. So it’s a restoration of your name.
Susan Reff: Right.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So that’s one of the things that typically we see post decree that needs to be done. But the other big thing is a retirement account.
Susan Reff: Oh, yeah. So this is where you should not do it on your do do it on your own. You should not be googling how to split your written. I’m going to count on your own.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. And when we talk about retirement accounts, there’s so many different kinds. We have for one case for three B’s, IRAs, Roth, [00:10:30] IRAs, pensions, all those things and annuities. And they are not all treated equally. So the decree is going to give us a lot of information about who’s going to get what amount and how. And then after that, there’s usually a fully separate court order that has to be entered. Right.
Susan Reff: And this sometimes takes cooperation still between the folks who are divorced. Now, because you are divorced, even though you have to still do all this stuff to [00:11:00] finalize it.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. And sometimes sometimes they’re amicable and sometimes they’re not. Right. Well, and sometimes you may have had a trial and one person won some things and the other person is really pissed off.
Susan Reff: Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And they still need to sign a document to transfer some of their retirement funds. Right. And so you might have to go to court to get some of those things enforced.
Susan Reff: Yeah, because the decree is a final court order that’s enforceable. So if someone doesn’t follow it, they’re in trouble.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. What [00:11:30] are some of the other things we often.
Susan Reff: Say.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, yeah, someone.
Susan Reff: Got money. Yeah, let’s still talk about money.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Good stuff. Good stuff, stuff.
Susan Reff: Good stuff.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: There’s a lot of good stuff in the storage units, too.
Susan Reff: Maybe. Yeah, who knows? Who knows what’s in there? I think that squirrels. I think the.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Interesting thing about kid stuff is I just sent an email to a client today. Like you two are now going to have to figure out how you share these expenses. And there’s a lot of language.
Susan Reff: You don’t [00:12:00] hold their hand and help them and.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, so it kind of depends on the client, right? A lot of our clients are sophisticated enough to figure out how they’re going to share expenses. And the language in the decree usually will say they’re going to split these extracurricular expenses and child care and out-of-pocket expenses on a 5050 basis. But they have to figure that out. Like, are they going to reconcile that every month or every quarter? And there’s really not a ton of good answers. No, but there’s some apps.
Susan Reff: Yeah, [00:12:30] they can use an app, They can use a spreadsheet, They can use a word, doc. I mean, whatever works for them.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I think it would be interesting to take some sort of poll of clients like one year, five year, ten years down the road, because I have to guess that those clients that are sort of ten years down the road, at some point, they’re like, that’s more work than it takes. Like you pay for about half the stuff and I pay for about half the stuff. Then trying to figure out how much do you owe me at the [00:13:00] end of the.
Susan Reff: Month, Right? I would say for most people, the dollar amount of what it is probably dictates if they’re going to ask the other person for reimbursement.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right.
Susan Reff: And it also probably depends on how successful they’ve been in the past of actually getting paid, because if they’re not getting paid, they’re going to stop asking probably.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. And clients will even talk a lot about like OC Does that include school supplies?
Susan Reff: Sure it should. Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And [00:13:30] so I think recently with a lot of things like Venmo and Cash App and things, it makes it a lot easier for people to just quick make a payment to the other person.
Susan Reff: Yeah, Venmo or PayPal would make it really easy to just transfer money back and forth. But another thing with kids is maybe someone wasn’t paying child support before or maybe they weren’t using a income withholding. So now with the final order, that might happen. And it’s a heck of a lot easier to [00:14:00] just have the money be taken out of your check.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Well, and it’s required by statute to to have income withholding right.
Susan Reff: But not everybody puts it in the decree.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. Right.
Susan Reff: So it’s like I, I know me if I was paying child support, I would just want to take it out of my check so we wouldn’t have to think about it.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. And then you get tracked to the child support enforcement, tracks it so you don’t have an arrearage at the end of the year because if you do, you [00:14:30] file your tax return. And if you’re going to get a refund that’s going straight to your right ex spouse, it’s.
Susan Reff: Just way easier for everybody if there’s an income withholding.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I think I have some clients say I don’t want it income withheld because I don’t my employer doesn’t need to know about it. And I often say your employer doesn’t care and there are payroll processor.
Susan Reff: Yeah, they’re.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Required to do a withholding if you have a child support order. Right.
Susan Reff: So like, it’s some sort of value judgment [00:15:00] on that person. Like you must be a terrible person if you’re paying child support. Well, like 50% of divorced people pay child.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Support and it usually just means you make more money than the other person. Yeah. Yeah.
Susan Reff: Not a value judgment.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: We at a it’s like our rug at our office. It says, yes, come on in. We don’t judge. And then in parentheses, we’re lawyers. Come on. I wish it said duh duh.
Susan Reff: We’re lawyers. Duh. Or we don’t judge.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Dah. We don’t. We’re not judges, right? We’re lawyers. [00:15:30]
Susan Reff: Dah dah, dah. Some people don’t know that judges are lawyers.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Seriously? Yes, people. What people? I don’t know. Do you hang out with?
Susan Reff: I didn’t say they were my friends. Twitter. There you go. There you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Go. Okay, so around the time of a final decree, what happens if someone doesn’t sign?
Susan Reff: Well, the only time it’s required that, like the people getting divorced would sign the decree, the [00:16:00] final order would be if they have agreed upon everything, they’ve made a settlement. Right? Then they have to sign off saying, I read this, I’m in agreement, yada, yada, and.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Here’s I’m not drunk, I’m not high. Yeah, no one’s forced me.
Susan Reff: I’m over 19. I’m here’s my ID, here I am who I said I was.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: It gets notarized.
Susan Reff: Right? But if you have a trial where each side presents evidence to the judge and the judge decides, the judge is just going to say, Here you go. [00:16:30] Here’s your degree. Your degree. Yeah, here’s your decree. It is what I said. It is. You don’t have to sign it. So if someone isn’t signing, it’s probably their indication of their lack of agreement.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Right. We do have a handful of cases, though, that are called default decrees where one person just doesn’t participate in the case at all. Right. They’ve been served with the initial documents and then we have to wait a 60 day waiting period [00:17:00] and then we can say, Judge, we’ve served them. They never filed any answer. They didn’t show up to this hearing today. Enter this decree.
Susan Reff: Yeah. And then the judge will enter it without the other person’s signature approval.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah, we have. I think there’s a huge amount of those that enough that you think are I think these people are.
Susan Reff: Just.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Looking the other way right. Like they’re just totally ignoring this thing in their life and they’re like, yeah, whatever.
Susan Reff: The ones that surprised [00:17:30] me are when the people like, had a relationship. I mean, I get it. If you got married and like, you never really developed any sort of relationship after the marriage, but it’s the people that have kids together, maybe own some property together and the other person is just like, I’m out. Right? You know, I usually think there’s some mental health going on, certainly there in that situation. But.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, before we go to our questions, [00:18:00] what if someone ignores the judge judgment?
Susan Reff: Yeah. So a divorce decree is a judgment. It’s like you must do this or else the judge.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And there can be interest bearing things.
Susan Reff: Oh, yeah. So if anyone has a court order saying they need to do something and they don’t do it, they can be held in contempt of court, which means basically they didn’t follow the order.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, civil.
Susan Reff: Contempt. Yeah. And we talked a lot about willful condemnation. Yes.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh yeah. And season. [00:18:30]
Susan Reff: Two.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Was yeah.
Susan Reff: We talked a lot about contempt of court and what the judge can do and how the process works and stuff like that.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, you can ultimately go to jail, right.
Susan Reff: Or be ordered to do the certain things with interest. Maybe if it’s payments you can go to jail, The judge can yell at you.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, it happened. That does happen. One of the things that’s really important [00:19:00] is that when a decree is entered, there are certain things that need to be in there in order for someone to potentially be held in contempt later.
Susan Reff: So if, you know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: The unfortunate thing is someone is doing a decree on their own and then later there’s no mention of a house, for example. Right. And then they’re like, well, why is my name’s still on the house? Well.
Susan Reff: You still own it, actually.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. Yeah.
Susan Reff: You didn’t put that in your divorce, that you were going to split it somehow.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah. So I think the decree is like, the most [00:19:30] important thing for someone to have an attorney review or draft and even, you know, even if you have no kids, no property, which is very rare. Right. You still should have an attorney review it, right?
Susan Reff: Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: All right, we’re ready for the question.
Susan Reff: Yeah, let’s do the Google divorce questions. All right.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: What you need to do when your divorce is final, Google is is Dr. Phil divorce. [00:20:00]
Susan Reff: Why did this come up, I wonder? I don’t know. We should Google it.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I have no idea. Even if he’s married, is he still on?
Susan Reff: I don’t know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Did you ever watch him? When did he start? Well, he.
Susan Reff: Started on Oprah. He was like Oprah’s marriage guru, I feel like.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And then he spun off on his own thing.
Susan Reff: And then he got a little weird, like he had he started like, his show started getting really trashy, I feel like.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Is he still.
Susan Reff: On? [00:20:30] I don’t. I don’t know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Do you asked you that?
Susan Reff: I know.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I’m just really wondering. We don’t know the answer. Is divorce a sin? Uh, well, our office is hell, then. If divorce is a sin because we divorce a lot of people.
Susan Reff: It’s the we don’t judge thing, you know? I mean, there’s no judgment about getting divorced from our office.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, our answer?
Susan Reff: No, no.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Next. Our divorce records public. Yes. [00:21:00] Yes.
Susan Reff: Most of the time.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yes. So you can seal your. You can ask the court to seal your case. You have to have a good reason to do so. Not likely you’re going to get it sealed. So your decree is probably going to be open to the public.
Susan Reff: Yeah, but all the filings.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Yeah, but if people really sort of need to know how to get access to them.
Susan Reff: Even if it’s sealed.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: No. If it’s sealed, you’re never going to get out.
Susan Reff: Right. Right, [00:21:30] right, right.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: But you kind of got to know how to navigate. Like, I can find anyone’s decree in a second because.
Susan Reff: But you can’t just Google it.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: No, you have to have access to a certain docket, right, with a subscription. Right. So it’s public. And when you file, it’s going in the paper. Right, That there’s a new case.
Susan Reff: The newspaper. Yes. I thought you meant like there’s the paper file. Like. Oh, oh, the paper paper. Which does the courthouse does maintain paper records.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Still need to clarify [00:22:00] the newspaper.
Susan Reff: Yeah. News.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Paper. People magazine. Next, Why did Kim and Kanye get divorced.
Susan Reff: Or are they actually divorced?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: I don’t. I don’t like I barely know who they are.
Susan Reff: You do not. You do not. You know who they are?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: She’s a Kardashian.
Susan Reff: And he.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Is Kanye West. But he just.
Susan Reff: What does he.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Do? His name, though? He changed his name to like Yi yi way. Why? I just read something in in the news. [00:22:30]
Susan Reff: Why like the end? Yeah, Kanye just the yay part. Do you know what he does?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, that’s where it comes from.
Susan Reff: Do you know what Kanye does? Nope.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You don’t. Is he a basketball player? Yeah.
Susan Reff: That’s one of the other Kardashians. You don’t know. He’s a he’s a singer. He’s terrible, though.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, musically, he’s the problem, right?
Susan Reff: No, he’s. I don’t. His music is horrible, isn’t he?
Tracy Hightower-Henne: A Trumpy? Oh, this is that. Yeah.
Susan Reff: Then he wanted to run for president, too. [00:23:00]
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Oh, yeah. Weird. Yeah. Now, Yeah, this is. I blocked him out because he’s awful, right?
Susan Reff: And I think so.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Hopefully their divorce. Do we like him? I don’t know. What’s happening next. What’s the funniest moments you’ve seen in a divorce? There’s almost rarely anything funny.
Susan Reff: They’re more funny like, Oh, my God, can you believe that happened? So I’ll tell you. Let me tell you about my first divorce hearing that I did when I was in the legal clinic at Creighton. Oh, the [00:23:30] the other side I represented. The wife was in jail and his parents showed up to the hearing and it was a default hearing where he’d been served, but he never answered. They didn’t have any kids. And his parents came and sat in the front row and they were like, like giving her like the evil eye during her testimony and like, glaring at her. And the judge finally said, because I couldn’t see them, because they’re kind of like behind [00:24:00] you over your shoulder. And the judge said, Ma’am, because apparently the mom was doing it much more than the guy. And I thought he was ramming me because I was in the middle of asking her all the questions. Ma’am, I will not have you glaring. And I guess she was doing hand gestures and and.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: You were like.
Susan Reff: I was like, what am I? What did I do? What did I do? But he wasn’t looking at me. And then I was like, Oh, and he he was like, You will not turn my courtroom into the Jerry Springer Show. If you [00:24:30] can’t control yourself, you’re going to be removed. And then he looked over at her and he was like, okay, ma’am, you can continue.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: Is that judge still on the bench? No.
Susan Reff: Judge Moran, He was so awesome. I really liked him. He retired. He was he was a great judge. I mean, he was no BS but, like, fair to everybody. So then afterwards, they were like, they sat there normal, I guess. And then they were like, Well, she still has his couch. How [00:25:00] can we get the couch? And she’s like, I told you, you could get that couch any time you wanted. I was like, Oh my gosh, it’s a couch.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So it was a special couch. Well, one, I shared this with our attorney texting a couple of days ago, and I just remember this that it was like eight years ago in my time, Hopp said I posted, you know. So it’s going to be a good trial When the judge says to the opposing party at the beginning of the trial. Ma’am, are you under the influence of any drugs or alcohol? [00:25:30]
Susan Reff: So not the other lawyer.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: There was no other lawyer on the other side.
Susan Reff: Person Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: And under the table, you kind of go like, Yes, I totally won this because she’s.
Susan Reff: Crazy and drunk. Yeah.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: So good. Memorable.
Susan Reff: So that was the funniest thing that you can remember.
Tracy Hightower-Henne: That probably was a good, memorable moment, so. Yeah. All right. When divorce is final, it’s never final.
Susan Reff: Not final.
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